Thursday, July 19, 2012

Mr. Kunza Speaks #03: America's Party (It's History, Leadership & Candidates, and Positions & Policies)

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Another long show. Starting out I never thought I would be making shows this long. But that is how things are turning out. I will try to get this shows out weekly after all time is running out before the election.



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(A Rough) Show  Transcript 

Hello, and welcome to Mr. Kunza Speaks. For this show I will be taking a look at America's Party. I have broken up the show into four parts. Part One and Two covers the History of America's Party. Part three takes a look at the party's Leadership and Presidential candidates. Part four covers the party's Positions & Policies.


Before I begin I like to state the goals of this show. Mr. Kunza Speaks makes an effort to be objective and use only reliable information when discussing anything on this show.  I try to make it clear when I am making an assumption on a matter.


I am strong supporter of critical thinking and apply it to my show. Do not take any criticisms as malice. I do not make this show to be judgmental of others. It is a goal of this show to point out falsehoods and misrepresented information


Always bears in mind that I am only human. I can and will make mistakes. Simply put, be skeptical of anything I say. Really, be skeptical of any information show.           


Alright with that said lets start the show.


Part 1: America's Party History.

America's Party is another new Political party. Founded as the America's Independent Party at some point 2008. I could not find an exact date for the party founding. But it happened at some point after August 21, 2008. Since on that date Alan Keyes lost the nomination for the Constitution Party.  

America's Party history is inanimately interconnected with Alan Keyes. It is because of Mr. Keyes that America's Party exists. Thus lets take a look at what lead Mr. Keyes supporters to create America's Party.


But first a little background on Mr. Keyes. Born Alan Lee Keyes on August 7, 1950. Mr. Keyes is an American conservative political activist and author. He has a PhD in government affairs from Harvard University. So I should be calling him Dr. Keyes but I will stick with Mr. for this show.


Mr. Keyes biggest claim to fame is that he was a diplomat for Ronald Reagan to the UN along with other posts. Since then he has become noted as a perennial candidate for public office. Perhaps the notable campaign was  in 2004 he ran against Barack Obama for his Illinois Senate seat. 


In his own words Mr. Keyes says the following of himself:


"For a long while I have been involved in government, politics and citizen activism. I am Christian, Catholic, Pro-life and pro-liberty. I am sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and the republican form of government it establishes. I believe the top priority of our political life is to restore respect for the existence and authority of the Creator, God and to rebuild the moral conscience and character of the American people on the basis of that respect; For God, Liberty and the Constitution."


Mr. Keyes (Image Source


It is safe to call Mr. Keyes a very conservative religious  man.


On June 5, 2007 an organization calling itself "We Need Alan Keyes for President" launched with the goal of getting support for Mr. Keyes as a presidential candidate.  The organization was outside the control of Alan Keyes. However, the group was "spearheaded by several individuals at RenewAmerica, a grassroots organization affiliated with Keyes."




The group managed to get Mr. Keyes threw his hat into the ring for the 2008 Republican nomination. Making it his third try for President. The first try being 1996 and again in 2000. The 2008 Keyes campaign opened to little fanfare. He ran on a platform of family values (A term I strongly dislike), ending the income tax, establishing state-sanctioned prayer in public schools, and abolishing abortion in just about every case.


Mr. Keyes the campaign never built up much steam. The best he did in the primaries was in North Carolina. Where he got 2.7% giving him fourth place and earning him two delegates for the Republican National Convention.


Mr. Keyes appears to have never been considered a viable candidate by the press or even those within the Republican Party. Stephen Stone, the CEO of Alan Keyes for President Committee said the follow about the 2008 campaign: "You can't mount a very effective national campaign when the media won't even acknowledge your running."   


The lack of support did not seem to stop Mr. Keyes from carrying on his campaign. Mr. Keyes left the Republican party in April 15 2008. Singling out the nation's present "border issue" as a reason he left the Republican Party, calling it a "threat to the sovereignty to the American people."


Mr. Keys picked up his old worn out Republican hat and threw it into the ring for the Constitution Party. A party that is on my list of third parties to cover. Mr. Keyes was seen as the choice to beat since he had a national profile and his departure from the republican party had been public enough to draw some press for him. Moreover, Mr. Keyes at the time say this of the Party "We have so much in common that I find it hard to believe we won't be able to work out a common basis for working together."


But once more Mr. Keyes was to be upset. This time by a Pastor and former Vice Presidential Chuck Baldwin. In what was described by Steve Kraske of the Kansas City Star as the most contentious battle in the party's history. While it may have been the most contentious national convention for the Constitution Party it was by no means dramatic. After all Mr. Baldwin wound up winning the party's nomination easily on a 384-126 vote on April 27, 2008.


There was no love lost between the Constitution  Party and Mr. Keyes. In a speech by the Party's Chairman Howard Phillips he called Mr. Keyes a "the Neocon candidate" who "lingered in the Republican Party until a week ago." In turn Mr. Keyes refused to endorse Mr. Baldwin.


Once again Mr. Keyes was a man on the move. Cast out or walking away from the Constitution Party. Mr. Keyes keep his hopes for the Presidency alive. Mr. Keyes supporters started their own party America's Independent Party (AIP). Mr. Keyes claimed to have no role in the creation of this party. However it Assured that this time Mr. Keyes would win the nomination. On August 21, 2008 Mr. Keyes won the nomination for the future America's Party.


So lets recap for a minute or two. On  April 15 Mr. Keyes unhappy with the Republican party left for the Constitution Party. Then on April 27 he left the Constitution Party. Finally Mr. Keyes found his place with the New formed AIP in August 21, 2008. Giving Mr. Keyes only 75 days before the election and 116 days since he left the Constitution Party.


Tom Kovach the former Chairman of the America's Party Tennessee chapter said the following about the lead up to the election. "After being struck by a shocking political betrayal in April of 2008, a small group of conservatives from across America got together with the goal of "changing the way that America does politics"... In August of 2008, only four months after that small group of people got together (mostly by telephone and e-mail; many of us have still never met in person), we put our presidential ticket on the ballots of 33 states.


On election day Mr. Keyes ended up with a total of  47,694 placing him 7th in the popular vote. 40,673 of the votes being in California where Mr. Keyes supporters within the American Independent Party (The old George Wallace Party) and the California affiliate of the Constitution Party to split in favor of Mr. Keyes over Mr. Baldwin. An event which still holds a lot venom between the America's and the Constitution party's.


What can be said about Mr. Keyes campaign is that it was quite a feat all  things considered. Mr. Keyes got more votes than the Reform Party, Socialist Workers Party, and the Socialist Party along with other candidates. For a national Presidential Campaign that had very little time is something to note. Moreover in Mr. Keyes case it has to be taken into account the turnover in staff and how difficult funding the campaign must have been. After all Mr. Keyes changed party affiliation three times. How many in his staff stood with him form beginning to end and how much funds the campaign had are questions that only Mr. Keyes could answer. 


Part 2: Notable events. 


What happens next very hazy. It is not clear when the 'America's Independent Party' changed it's name to America's Party. Or why. I do not like making claims without information but none is to be found. I can hazard a guess as to why the name change happened.


Their exists the American Independent Party. As I stated before this is the old party that George Wallace of segregation forever fame ran under. Likely America's Independent Party and American Independent Party are simply to close and could confuse some. So a name change was needed to avoid any issues. Also, Mr. Keyes running for presidency caused a split within the party. So it could also be a small consideration to avoid more issues with the party.


There is not much else to talk about as far as the History of the Party goes. As I said before there is a lot of venom between the Constitution Party of California affiliate and America's party. In fact Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman Constitution Party of California went after America's party and party chairman and Presidential candidate Tom Hoefling. An individual I will cover later on in the podcast. 


Mr. Grundmann (I suppose that it I should call him Dr. Grundmaan since he is Doctor of Chiropractic and Herbalist after all it does take some work to become a doctor in pseudosciences). At any rate  Mr. Grundmann has website (thecorruptionofalankeyes.blogspot.com) that showcases his thoughts on America's Party and Mr. Keyes. Moreover, It gives a very good history of the events and circumstances around the split up of the American Independent Party. Granted it is very one sided account and clearly Mr. Grundmann has a chip on his shoulder and it is very conspiratorial mainly how Mr. Keyes is a deep cover liberal. But it is understandable as to why it is that way. 


Mr. Grundmann also made comments on America's Party and Mr. Hoefling in the comment section of a Ballot Access News and on an independentpoliticalreport.com article.


It appears that Mr.  Grundmann has taken it upon himself to along others to point out the conspiracy that Mr. Hoefling is part of. It is quite a good read a link can be found on the Podcast Blog and on the Podbean page.


When commenter said this of Mr. Hoefling "Ask yourself, would you vote for a man who has qualified for food stamps his whole life?" a comment which earned the following reply "If you are going to make allegations, proof helps. You may or may not be accurate about Hoefling and food stamps, but how would I know?"


I will share some of the exchange between two commenter's claiming to be Mr. Grundmann and  Mr. Hoefling:


The supposed  Mr. Grundmann comments "Hoefling is a mole within the conservative movement. From personal experience I can warn anyone dealing with him to watch out for, and expect, a knife in the back. He is a front for an extensive mole operation within the conservative movement of our nation. This treacherous and treasonous operation is extremely well funded and is connected to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League, and the moderate Republican Establishment. Their objective is to drain the energies of the conservative movement and to betray it whenever possible so that the maximum damage can be inflicted."


In turn the supposed Mr. Hoefling stated the follwoing: "Mr. Don Grundmann’s comments above are a wild flight of imaginative falsehood and, if they do not meet the criteria for libel, nothing does. And latter on comments "Don, get help. That’s all I can say to you."



Things get quite heated from there. Mr Grundmann responded with the following: "Is that all that you can say Tom? How about apologizing for your corruption and your role in the attack upon the CP (Constitutional Party). And now you pretend to be a conservative??? What a farce! You are the perfect example of a total fake." Then goes on to detail Mr. Hoeflings crimes. Mr. Grudamann goes on the state "As a, by choice,sub-human without a conscience you are known as a sociopath...  The now result of that is you will continue to betray as many people as you can to give you ” happiness ” during your miserable existence. The then result to follow is that you will have your own personalized room in hell where you can ” enjoy ” and relish your backstabbing betrayals for all eternity.  It will be a richly deserved finale to the existence of a moral and literal coward.... Enjoy your stay in hell."


Mr.  Hoefling replied with the following: "Don, I pray that somehow God opens a way at some point for you to reconnect with reality. See ya."


Which earned the following comment from Mr. Grundmann:  "Tom Hoefling – Always the coward."

The affair carries on for more comments between Mr. Grundmann and others. It is quite an exchange between commenter's. 


Part 3: Leadership & Candidates


Okay getting back to the affairs of America's Party. Lets carry on the next part of this podcast and take a look at the current leadership of America's Party.


It is not clear if Mr. Keyes is still involved with the Party. This is an assumption on my part but I do believe that Mr. Keyes is not active with the Party. I base this assumption of the fact that his often updated personal website (LoyalToLiberty.com) has a link to the old  America's Independent Party site and not the new  America's Party site. Granted the old site has been retitled by America's Party but the link title is still bears the old name on Mr. Keyes site.


From that I would say it is safe to say that Mr. Keyes has very little to do with the party now. I found no comments by him on the matter. I tried to reach Mr. Keyes on this issue but Mr. Keyes never replied to any of my messages. I even went so far as to tweet him on the issue. So I will again state this is all assumption on my part and it could all be wrong.

There is only one name that I could dig up that has a current leadership role with the party and that's Tom Hoefling. 


Mr. Hoefling is the Chairman of America's Party. Also, he is the party's 2012 Presidential candidate. So I should be able to kill two birds with one stone and cover the leadership and candidate in this podcast.


I failed to find any other individuals affiliated with the party, at lest on a national level. The party does have 'Leadership Round Table' for each state some have a chairperson, others do not. 


Even the party's vice president candidate  J.D. Ellis (Tennessee) Vice Presidential Nominee is a ghost. All I could find on Mr. Ellis is that he is the Tennessee state chairman for America's Party. Furthermore, Mr. Ellis is minister of a Church of Christ, and an anti-abortion activist. 


That is it for Mr. Ellis. I attempted to contact the campaign. I simply asked if they had a biography of Mr. Ellis or even just some basic background on the individual. However, as if the time of this podcast they have not contacted back this show. So for now this is best I can on Mr. Ellis.


Mr. Ellis (Source)


Okay, I just covered the vice president candidate for America's Party.


Getting back to the party leadership America's Party has a Chaplain for the Party. Gordon James Klingenschmitt, PhD. 


The Chaplain (Source)

The Chaplain was "charged with disobeying an order and kicked out of the Navy for attending a political rally in front of the White House in March 2006 dressed in his Navy uniform, a violation of military regulations." Since that time the Chaplain has been involved with various controversies. Including  "praying for the death"  of  Barry W. Lynn the head of  Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

He also runs the Pray in Jesus Name Project. A group that makes up petitions for and against various things. Petitions include: "Tell Congress: Defend Traditional Marriage -" to "Petition to President Obama to stop endorsing Islam -

However, it is not clear what the Chaplain's role is for America's Party.

So getting back to what I know. All I have to work with is  Mr. Hoefling. 

Mr. Hoefling is 51 years old. He was born in Omaha, Nebraska on December 20, 1960.

He is married and a Christian of what detonation is a open question. However, he stressing the importance of his faith the following quote is just one example "My work is dedicated to my God; to all the patriots who came before us in self-sacrifice for liberty; to all of those who now faithfully serve our country; and to the posterity that will enjoy the blessed fruit of all their labors."

Mr. Hoefling was the campaign director for Mr. Keyes 2008 bid for the Constitutional Party nomination and the political director for Mr. Keyes' group America's Revival. 

Other than that I cannot find to much on Mr. Hoefling. Well, other than the biography on his campaign website. Which says the following on Mr. Hoefling "he is a long-time conservative political activist, organizer, and consultant. Over the course of twenty years he has at various times worked on campaigns at all levels of American politics, in most parts of the country." 

Mr. Hoefling also hosts a live call in steaming radio show called "America's Summit" that airs every Tuesday and Thursday. 

Mr. Hoefling won the party's nomination on a on-line nominating convention on February 18, 2012. Also what is very unique about Mr. Hoefling's campaign is that the "campaign does not accept financial contributions" 

Mr. Hoefling (Source)

And that is more or less what I could find on Mr. Hoefling. You can read his full biography on tomhoefling.com


Well we just covered the Leadership of America's Party as well its History and even it's Candidates. Leaving only the Positions of the Party to go over.  

Part 4 Positions & Policies

Before we begin it should be noted that the Presidential candidate completely supports all of America's Party Positions and holds them to be his own. Also, all of the information for this part of the show comes directly off of the party's website.  

What is unique about America's Party is that the Party does not ask for donations. They explain their position as follows:

"America's Party does NOT accept financial contributions. We intend to change America's political culture, by example.

For too long now, we've had government by the media and by the money, instead of government of the people, by the people, for the people. This cannot continue, if we are to remain a free, self-governing people.
That's why America's Party will not seek financial contributions. Our work at the national level is being done on a strictly volunteer basis. Instead, we're asking you to directly support fully-vetted, proven, principled candidates, so that 100% of your precious resources will go directly to the most important work." 

America's Party stance on donations is very unique. For minor party this position may prove to be rather wise. After all no one would very expect America's Party to match the fund-raising power of a major party. Furthermore, it allows the party to seem as if they are taking a higher mortal road in politics. 

Yet, It does beg the question of how pays for what. Their has to be bills that party pages the do have a website after all. So far, it appears that Mr. Hoefling takes care of their website.

America's Party is a conservative party. The party takes a typical right wing stance on mainstream topic.

Basically the main focus of the party appears to be abortion. In order to become a member to the party you must Pledge that you believe in God, that you only support different sex marriage, and are completely against abortion.    

As stated before the party is very much so against abortion. The have the following platform called: 

"The Equal Protection for Posterity Resolution A Resolution affirming vital existing constitutional protections for the unalienable right to life of every innocent person, from the first moment of creation until natural death."

The party is against all forms of abortion and possibly euthanasia. Anti-Abortion is one their core principles taking up almost of half of their Party Platform. A link to the resolution can be found on the notes. Basically the party states that is the will of God and the Constitution to "protect Life". Furthermore, they state that "Modern science has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that the individual human person's physical existence begins at the moment of biological inception or creation" 

To say the lest this is a delicate issue that should be throughly examined. This cannot do the topic justice in this short time. However, as I stated before this show will point out falsehoods and misrepresented information. It more than fair to say that America's party has misrepresented information on this subject. The Party ignores that Current scientific thinking "main viewpoint (on when life begins), and the one that possibly best reflects the reality of the situation, is that there is no one point where life begins. Instead, the beginning of life is a continuous process. It may have a start where there is "no life" and an end where there "is life", but there isn't a clearly defined boundary."

The rational wiki has a good entry on the subject a link can be found on the Podcats notes. 

America's Party also supports the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Stating the following: "The right of self-preservation and self-protection is inherent in all persons, communities and societies, which is why we fiercely defend the indispensable provisions of our Second Amendment. Liberty cannot be protected if the people have been stripped of the physical means of doing so."

This a common conservative stance on gun rights. It is not clear on which arms people have the rights to. Nor does it express their thoughts on background check and so on. It is a bit fuzzy as to how far their support for gun rights go. It is fair to say that one does not expect to much detail on this positions. 

The party supports "Private Property Rights" saying that "Private property, the ownership of the means of production by the people, is a cornerstone of American liberty. Without it our free enterprise system, our free markets, and our republican form of self-government cannot endure. Without it, we cannot prosper. That is why we will defend against any trespass against this most basic, cherished, and necessary of our God-given, unalienable rights. That is why we will only pursue policies that will strengthen the economic position of the individual, the family, and the local community."

From that it is clear that  America's Party is pro-capitalism. Their stance is very common for conservatives. It does not express their thoughts on free trade or unions and so on. Or what strengthen the economic position of the individual, the family, and the local community means policy wise.

America's party is for "Restoring limited government". Meaning that they believe that "All existing functions of the Executive branch that are outside of those Enumerated Powers must be eliminated." and they state the following "All spending and regulation by the Legislative branch that lies outside the Enumerated Powers must cease. Judges who attempt to legislate from the bench, or who abandon the clear principles of our Constitution, must be checked if liberty and justice are to prevail in our society once again."

Nothing really new here for anyone that knows anything about current right wing thought. The notion of legislate from the bench is a common theme among the right. One day their I may even been a show on the topic. However, what I will say now is that  legislate from the bench or Judicial activism is open to debate.

The simple truth is that what one may see as judicial activism may be legitimate judicial review or a more modern interpretation of the law that reflects changes is knowledge and society.

Moreover, it is not clear what America's Party intents to do in order to stop so called legislate from the bench.  

Carrying on. America's Party believes in the old "Peace through Strength" adage that Ronald Reagan used. In fact the party appears to think very highly of Mr. Reagan. His name, quotes, and picture are to be found rather often on the party's website.

The party states that "We believe in a supremely strong, prepared, and well-equipped civilian-controlled United States military, and a bold, visionary and intelligent program of principled constructive engagement with the rest of the world. For us, "peace through strength" is not a mere slogan. It is the means of survival for our country in a very dangerous and often hostile world. Our friendship should be a sought-after possession of all men and women of good will everywhere in the world. Our enmity should be something that all rightfully fear."

Once more nothing all that different here than the Republican Party. Pro- Military is a common theme in American right wing politics. What this means policy wise is once again difficult. While one should not necessary expect detail on this positions. It is hard to tell if the party is an interventionist party or not. Or even what their thoughts are on America's various current foreign engagements.

America's Party is for tighter boarders stating the following "We demand the immediate securing and continuous vigilant maintenance of our sovereign territory and borders. We oppose any private or governmental action that rewards illegal entry into the United States in any way, and demand speedy and full enforcement of our laws concerning all such activities."

It is not clear if the party is anti-immigration or simply for tighter border control and spending. Furthermore this is another issue that should have a show in and of itself.  

Carrying on America's Party is for "Repeal of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments" saying the following the matter "We consider the federal income tax to be destructive of our liberty, privacy, and prosperity. Therefore, we are working to bring about its complete elimination and the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. We recommend that the current system be replaced by an equitable, simple, noninvasive, visible, efficient tax, one that does not destroy or even infringe upon our economic privacy and liberty."

We also call for the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment. Its enactment greatly reduced the power of our state legislatures and state governments – which are much closer to the people – and damaged our system of federalism."

The party is for ending the income tax. Something that Ron Paul argues. It is a common theme in Libertarian tax thought. The notion being that the income tax is an unfair tax. Often whenever this position is argued. The arguing party usually supports a flat tax or some alternative. It is still open as to what tax system America's Party supports. 

As for the repealing of the Seventeenth Amendment. This stance is something unique. The 17th amendment allows for the "Direct Election of Senators".  The notion has become a theme among the Tea party movement. The idea is that the state picks the senator thus the state is somehow better represented  in Washington. It is a uncommon position and one that is hard to understand. The notion is that the people of a state are not as able to pick their own senators as the state is for them. America's Party does say that this system would be 'much closer to the people' however it begs the question are not the people of a state close enough to themselves?

The final platform of the party is Marriage and the natural family. They state the following "We seek the passage of a Federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and oppose all attempts everywhere to redefine marriage as being anything but what it has always been: the union of one man and one woman. Since the natural family is the basic God-given institution of our civilization, and the nursery of our future, it must be protected from all who would destroy it."

Common enough among thoughts for anyone familiar with Conservative thought. This issue is another warrants a show. However, to say that if a civilization allows for same sex marriage our future is at stake can safely be called fear mongering. There exists no evidence for that statement. However, it does how the language of the issue has evolved with the times.    

Well that concludes this Show on America's Party. Hopeful you found it informative. If this Party interests you in any way be sure to check out the notes for this show as you can various party related links.

Thanks for listening.       

Wednesday, June 20, 2012

Mr. Kunza Speaks #02: The American Third Position, History, Leadership, and Positions & Policies

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Had to cut up the file the show. For hosting reasons.

Sorry it took so long to do this show. It is a topic that I did not want to take lightly.


Podcats Notes:

A3P Website: http://american3rdposition.com/
Southern Poverty Law Center website: www.splcenter.org/

The SPLC page on the A3P: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/american-third-position

And the page on Jamie (James) Kelso: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/jamie-kelso

Image placed by Anonymous on the A3P's website:


Copy of Hacked A3P Emails: http://indianaantifa.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/a3phackfrontpagetext.odt

Video of Kelso at CPAC


A Rough Transcription of the Podcast:

Hello Again and welcome once more to Mr. Kunza Speaks.

For this podcast I will be covering the American Third Position in some detail. I will cover a little History of the party its founding and notable events. Then take a look at the party's Leadership, last I will review the  Positions & Policies of the Party.


Before we begin a little disclaimer. I want to make it clear that American Third Position Party or A3P as they like to call themselves is a hate group according the Southern Poverty Law Center and by the Anti-Defamation League.


If you are not interested in hearing about a hate group, I will not fault you for skipping over this podcast.

I also want to make it clear that this podcast is by no means an endorsement of the Party or its ideas. The same can be said for anyone and any party I cover. The goal of this podcast is to be informative, skeptical, and objective.

I try to find the best evidence for my Podcats and will point out any bad information and lies stated by any party or person.   

Yet I am only human. I can be influenced by own personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing information. Especially when it comes to a group like the A3P.

Alright with that said lets take a look at the A3P's history.  


The 2012 election is the first time that party has ever ran anyone for any office. The only office that they are running for as of this podcast is the President. Which does make some sense seeing as the A3P is not even three years old yet.

There are conflicting reports as to the official date that A3P came to be. The dates range from October 2009 to January 2010. According to the A3P's website they 'launched' on January 01, 2010. 

However, the history of the A3P goes a few months further back. Not too far back, just to May 2009. In that month Freedom 14 a noted California base white power group founded the Golden State Party. A white nationalist political party. 

Freedom 14, primarily organized the party via the website Stormfront.org. For those that are not familiar with Stormfront. According to USA Today it is the most visited white supremacist site on the net. It is the go to website for discussion and information for any Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, etc.

The Golden State Party can be seen as American Third Position 1.0. As most the Golden State Party's platforms and policies have been adopted almost word for word by the A3P.

Almost as quickly as the Golden State Party started it fell apart. On  Sept. 4, 2009 Tyler Cole the chairman of the party was discovered by Jaimee Lynn Fletcher of the Orange County Register to be a two-time felon. The chairman was "convicted of assault with a deadly weapon in 2001 in Arizona and sentenced to a year in prison, court records show. Also, he was convicted in 2008 in Orange County of possession of an illegal machete, possession of marijuana and resisting arrest."

The barely months old party did not survive long after. Either because the fall out was to great for the party or that it was just easier to start over. It happened so soon after their found that they probably didn't even have their pens and letterheads yet.

What happened next has been neatly summed up by the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"On Oct. 15, 2009,  [Freedom 14 members] held a meeting to form a party with a new name and new leadership. They elected racist corporate lawyer William Daniel Johnson as chairman of the newly renamed political party, American Third Position. Johnson had been advocating for the deportation of all non-white immigrants and U.S. citizens, including anyone with any “ascertainable trace of Negro blood,” since 1985, when he wrote a book arguing for a constitutional amendment to do just that. Johnson promoted his book far and wide, including at the 1986 Aryan Nations World Congress."

Moreover the Southern Poverty Law Center stated the following:

"On June 27, 2010, the group absorbed the League of American Patriots, a New Jersey-based group. The league is best known for passing out racist fliers and requiring its members to be heterosexuals of “complete European Christian ancestry.” The merging of the two groups advanced the A3P’s goal of developing active chapters throughout the United States."

Since that time the A3P leadership has evolved to be a whose who of racists. To understand the A3P it very important to look at who is running the party. As the party itself puts out an very lax racist front. This maybe to have some sibilance of respectability. However, one does not have dig very deep to see the deep rooted antisemitism and racial hate at the party's core. The A3P has a total of eight directors and a chairman at the time of this podcast. 

William D. Johnson, Chairman. He is an attorney and noted white supremacist activist.

Kevin B. MacDonald, Director. He is a professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach. At the time of this Podcast he is still on staff, likely a product of tenor.

He is best known for a theory called "group evolutionary strategy." He put forth the theory in series of books called The Culture of Critique. MacDonald claims that Jews have eugenically evolved to enhance their ability to conspire to out-compete non-Jews for resources while undermining the power and self-confidence of the white majorities in Europe and America whom he insists Jews seek to disposes.


I have not read much of MacDonald's work. I did take a look at 'A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism As a Group Evolutionary Strategy.' In that book it appeared that MacDonald thinks that their is some short of 'Jewish hive mind.' Where each and every Jew follows whatever the hive mind decides for them. I do not want to spend too much time on this theory. After all this is a podcast on the A3P not MacDonald. 


However, MacDonald's theory is pseudoscience. Eugen Schoenfeld, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at Georgia State University, stated "[The theory] is controversial, not only because of its theoretical approach, but also, and perhaps primarily, because of sloppy scholarship. [Macdonald] selects historical incidents that can be used to support his thesis and conveniently omits others that challenge his thesis." 


Moreover in a Slate Magazine article "How To Deal With Fringe Academics". MacDonald's theory has never been peer-review. Steven Pinker of Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences MIT said the following of MacDonald and this theory. 


"MacDonald's main axioms - group selection of behavioral adaptations, and behaviorally relevant genetic cohesiveness of ethnic groups -- are opposed by powerful bodies of data and theory, which Tooby, Cosmides, and many other evolutionary psychologists have written about in detail. Of course any assumption can be questioned, but there are no signs that MacDonald has taken on the burden of proof of showing that the majority view is wrong. The argument, as presented in the summaries, fail two basic tests of scientific credibility: a control group (in this case, other minority ethnic groups), and a comparison with alternative hypotheses (such as Thomas Sowell's convincing analysis of "middlemen minorities" such as the Jews, presented in his magisterial study of migration, race, conquest, and culture)."   


Basically MacDonald theory is junk science.  


James Edwards, Director. James Edwards (No relations to former Presidential candidate John Edwards) is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a rising star of the white-nationalist movement. He has a radio show entitled 'The Political Cesspool'. It appears to be broadcasted on only one terrestrial  radio station WMQM 1600AM in Memphis, Tennessee a Christian radio station. Also, It has a stream and podcast. The show is a promotion of anti-semitic, white nationalist and white supremacist views.

Tom Sunic, Director. Tom Sunic or Tomislav Sunić. Is a fascist thinker. He has been involved with Nouvelle Droite or New Right movement and is said to be of the Groupement de recherche et d'études pour la civilisation européenne school of thought. He has held diplomatic positions with the Croatian government and has taught at California State University, the University of California, Juniata College in Pennsylvania, and the Anglo-American College in Prague. He has a steaming radio show "The Sunic Journal," on Voice of Reason. He anti-Semitic and has stated that Jewish influence threatens America's European heritage. Also he thinks fascism is awesome.

Virginia Deane Abernethy, Director. She is also the vice presidential candidate for the party. I will go into more detail on her when I cover the Presidential candidates of the party. For right now all I will say about her is that she is a retired professor that speaks out against immigration.

Dr. Adrian Krieg, Director. The Good Doctor is Swiss born and holds a Cultural doctorate in Manufacturing Science from the World University. The World University is a  distance learning school that dedicated to education in what politely can be called 'New Age' subjects. Dr. Krieg is the Co-Chair Political Science Department World University Roundtable. Which is a odd position for an anti-semitic to hold. Since the World University states that they are a an organization whose goal is "To fulfill the needs and aspirations of men and women of goodwill, of whatever age, nationality, or culture." It is claimed that Dr. Krieg hold many U.S. Patents. The Doctor believes that 9/11 was a false flag opertaion and he makes the following claim "The litigious nature of American society is in fact not American at all but is a Jewish trait." Along with many other anti-semitic statements. And to top it off he is on the editorial board of The Nationalist Times which is the paper of choice fascists and anti-Semites.

Don Wassall, Director. He is the founder and main editor of the Nationalist Times. He is also the Executive Director of the American Nationalist Union and is the administrator of ANU.org, ANU News.net, and Caste Football.us. The American Nationalist Union is a nationalist political organization. ANU is not necessarily fascist but it is white supremacist group and supports many conspiracy theories. While Caste Football tries to to the same with its 'reports' on pro-sports.

Alexander Carmichael, Director. He is the groups lawyer outside of that all I could inf was what i believe is his firms website www.carmichaellaw.org which is very mundane.

Last but not lest is James Kelso, Director. I greatly enjoyed what the Southern Poverty Law Center says about James or Jamie Kelso "Jamie Kelso is an extremely hyper organizer and serial joiner of religious sects and, starting in the 1990s, racist organizations." Jamie Kelso has had a very unique past. It reads like fiction.  He was a member of the “Sea Organization and ran away from them. Then he "John Birch Society (JBS), a conspiracy-minded outfit that has been around for decades and is perhaps best known for accusing President Eisenhower of being a secret communist." Kelso became a moderator for Stromfront.org and is credited with turning Stromfront.org into the site that it is today. He has his own radio show "The Jamie Kelso Show,” which runs on the Voice of Reason Broadcast Network. he has been involved in many  neo-Nazi and white power groups before he joined the A3P. Moreover he has his own news site White News Now. 

I am leaving a lot out when it comes to Mr. Kelso. For anyone that wants to read up on him check out the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Files on him.

Mr. Kelso is a key figure in the A3P's short history. It is in his role as the A3P's webmaster that the lead to, what is more than fair to say, most public event in the A3P's history. On February 1st 2012 the A3P's official website was attacked by individuals affiliated with the group Anonymous. 

The website was defaced, the website was replaced with an image of the soviet flag and saluting blue pony with a rainbow main. The full image can be seen on the notes for this podcast. While the image was notable it was the text across the top of the image that was of the most significance. A sentence of white text stating the following: "Jamie Kelso and American Third Position Hacked and Destroyed; Private Emails Expose Blatant Racism and Ties to Ron Paul"

It is those supposedly exposed ties to Ron Paul that made the most news. Anonymous leaked many emails from Mr. Kelso,  Merlin Miller the A3P pestilential candidate, and others. There is 86 pages of emails for those that wish to read it all that can be found in the notes of the Podcast. I have read though most of them and if they are fake a lot of work has gone into them. 

Most of the Emails are by Mr. Kelso. Many of the speak to his goals with the website that he runs "Whitenewsnow.com". Mainly how important it is to get the site ranking up and how the site tries to be a tool to recruit people into white nationalism. What becomes clear in email after email is how whitenewsnow is a tool for Kelso to get members of the A3P. AS the following quote from a email by Kelso indicates. "WhiteNewsNow Mods and Members will be joining us, and joining A3P as they get the word."

In emails form Merlin Miller the A3P pestilential candidate. In a email it revealed that the A3P position platform was developed in conjunction with The Nationalist Times. Also, it appears that Miller was trying to court many of Ron Paul supporters to his campaign. 

Moreover, many of the emails speak about Ron Paul and how Mr. Kelso was going to meet him or had a phone call with him. But it is never clear if such a thing actually happened and if it did the what happened and what discussed. In fact one email speaks to how Kelso going to Conservative Political Action Conference or CPAC. A Tea Party sponsored meeting and how Kelso was going to promote the party and while he was there Kelso was going to "be meeting with Congressman Ron Paul and his son Senator Rand Paul personally there on all three days." I could find no evidence that this happened in fact I found a video that shows that things went very bad for Kelso while he was at the conference. He was asked to remove his "Campaign for Liberty" Ron Paul button which he does and then Kelso leaves the hotel alone with his bags in hand.

Alright so what does this have to do with the A3P. It is not clear if anyone form the A3P ever met with Ron Paul or had any real contact with him. Those claiming some ties to an organizer for Ron Paul appear to have sent some emails to Mr. Kelso or got emails from him. Outside of that there is little to tie the A3P to Ron Paul.

That puts us up to day with the A3P. Not much of note has happened since the Anonymous hacking. The Party is now is full campaign mode for the presidency. Which leads us nicely into the platforms of the A3P.

The A3P has a 10 point platform. I have used their own official website as the source for this information.  


"Crime. Taking back our communities."

"Our country has become unrecognizingly dangerous...  Our people (I assume that they mean white people) have had to alter their everyday behaviors to simply keep from being victimized by predators roaming the streets. While the ruling elites drone on endlessly about the rights of criminals, the happiness and welfare of our people has been sacrificed at the altar of political correctness."

"We will put these common sense principles into practice without delay: Enable police to concentrate on real criminals and serve the public welfare, not the political goals of the ruling elite. Permit victims of crime greater freedom to defend themselves and their property. Introduce automatic sentences for repeat offenders who prey on our communities. Support states rights to enforce capital punishment for those convicted of capital crimes. Make prisoners understand that they are being punished, and not rewarded with a state-subsidized vacation for their crimes; in part through wide-scale obligatory public-works projects."

Based on those statements it is more than fair to say that the A3P believes that America has become unrecognizingly dangerous and that predators are roaming the streets.  This is an unfounded statement and it sounds a lot like the plot to the movie Robocop.

Yes there are some places that can be called dangerous in America. However, the the fact is America's crime rate has been falling across the board. Even in a economic downturn crime is still falling.

I do not know who these people are that are droning endlessly on about the rights of criminals. Nor do they make clear of whom they are speaking of.

What is clear is that A3P believes in the right to self-defense. I can only guess that this means that they are supporters of gun rights. One odd statement they make is the following: "Permit victims of crime greater freedom to defend themselves and their property." Which sounds like they believe that a person can only defend themselves and property after they have become a victim. I do not think that this is their intent.

A3P wants automatic sentences for repeat offenders, I think that this means they want something along the lies of the Three Strikes Laws. Also, they support the death penalty and state that jail is a vacation. They support the use of prison labor for public works. Which is something that differentiates them from most political parties.     

It is fair to say that A3P is a law and order party.

On to their next position again this is quoted right off their website with some mild trimming on my part:

"Economy:

The American Third Position supports a nationalist economic policy emphasizing ethical business practices and prioritization of the community. A3P supports “fair trade” as opposed to the so-called “free trade” policies... This can be accomplished through tariffs and quotas at home along with diplomatic pressure abroad. Under this America first system, we would also withdraw from NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO.

Current tax policies often dis-incentivize invention and entrepreneurship. Tax dollars are aggressively collected from our people and funneled to so-called minorities, criminals, and persons unwilling to work. We will cut all programs that provide an incentive for people to be anything other than hard-working and productive.

The Federal Reserve – a central bank made up of privately-owned member banks – loans money to our government at interest. Commercial banks also create money through lending to businesses and citizens. Both practices involve creating money out of thin air. To restore ownership of the American economy to its rightful owners, we will abolish the Federal Reserve, incorporating it into the United States Treasury. We will then grant government the sole right to print, issue and regulate money. Accordingly, the entire banking system would be subject to appropriate ethical constraints."

For anyone that is familiar with right wing or libertarian economic positions will  find nothing unique in the A3P positions. However, they say the following "Tax dollars are aggressively collected from our people and funneled to so-called minorities, criminals, and persons unwilling to work." Of what the referring to is hard to say. There is Tax Incentives for Using a Minority-Owned Business. Or it could be an statement against welware programs. It is not really clear.

Now for their views on Education:

"Education. Not Indoctrination.

The same schools that once taught our children the knowledge, skills, culture, and traditions necessary to maintain and enhance our nation are now controlled by social Marxists....

We support measures to restore our school system to its first rate status. Teachers must emphasize traditional mathematics and literacy skills which have practical application to everyday life. A full curriculum of American history must also be taught....  Organized classrooms settings and well-disciplined learning environments must become the norm once again. We also support greater opportunities for home-schooling arrangements.

Critically, we would introduce a compulsory Community Service system after the student completes their schooling – whenever that may be – to instill in them a work ethic, discipline, and social and community values. Projects would consist of caring for the elderly and handicapped, environmental and heritage restoration projects, or military training.

Service in this system would entitle each individual to get something back from the society to which they have learnt to contribute, such as subsidized university education or apprenticeship, and/or business training and start-up capital for would-be entrepreneurs."

I looked up the word social Marxists and found the following on the Urban Dictionary:  "A social Marxist is someone who half heartidly believes in the Marxist school of political though. They may be anti capitalist, anti war and anti racism, but wont join up a Marxist movement and are more like armchair generals of the far left persuasion. Left wing forums are rife with social Marxists. Some social Marxists simply buy CCCP flags, shirts and hats and have a faint idea what its about, but have no foundations for their ideology"

I do not think that this is what the A3P is referring to. Even though it was the only place that I could find a definition of the term. But maybe it is. Either way it is an odd statement. It should go without say that evidence of this Marxist hold on education is non-existent.

Outside of that statement there is not much of anything unique to found in there education position. The A3P supporting home schooling and believes in  compulsory Community Service for students. The latter policy is unique when compared to the major parties.

As for their views on the Environment:

"Environment. Taking responsibility.

The American Third Position is committed to a beautiful, clean and healthy nation. We are this country’s only true Green party with policies that will actually save the environment. Overpopulation, fueled by massive Third World immigration, is a major cause of the destruction to our environment.

Many Americans recognize the serious trouble associated with dependency on oil from abroad. We must diligently explore and develop cleaner energy sources such as solar, wind and biomass. In keeping with our free enterprise system, individuals, businesses and industry should be encouraged to tap into these abundant non-polluting sources."

Immigrates cause the destruction of the environment. To be frank I have never heard that claim before. Thus I did some research and found the following by Scientific American:

"The non-profit Pew Research Center reports that 82 percent of U.S. population growth is attributable to immigration...

Americans, consumption habits, are fundamental to U.S. environmental problems than population pressures. With just five percent of the world’s people, Americans use a quarter of the world’s fossil fuels, own more private cars than drivers with licenses, and live in homes that are on average 38 percent larger today than they were in 1975. By scaling back, Americans can take a big bite out of pollution, sprawl and other environmental problems, while also setting a good example for those who land in the U.S. every year, lowering the nation’s collective carbon footprint significantly in the process."

Furthermore, if population densities is any indicator American is at no risk of overpopulation.

Anyway, their environmental views for the most part fall in line with what Democrats often argue. Not the overpopulation or immigration part but the invest in alternatives and cut the dependency on oil.

Carrying on the A3P quote: "rejects homosexuality and all of the other types of so-called “alternative lifestyles”." I have not a clue what "alternative lifestyles" they are referencing and what they would do to those people and homosexuals if elected. Their stance is nothing new for anyone who is familiar with right wing politics.

The A3P's Foreign Policy can neatly be summed up as non-interventionist. Furthermore they state they following. "We must withdraw from the United Nations and NATO and close most of the hundreds of overseas military bases. At the same time, we must maintain a strong military for legitimate defense, such as better protection of our borders."

The statement is very close to those that have been and still are made by Ron Paul and other Libertarians.

The A3P has very clear stance on Immigration the following is right off of their website:

"1 We will deport all illegal and criminal aliens.
2 We will impose massive penalties for employing or assisting them.
3 We will use the U.S. military for border security and build an impenetrable southern fence.
4 We will immediately put an indefinite moratorium on all immigration.
5 We will provide immigrants and their children who have become citizens since 1965 with generous grants to assist their voluntary return to their respective countries of origin.
6 We will also eliminate birthright citizenship, chain migration and asylum."

1 -4 is not anything all that different from most anti-immigration stances. However, 5, 6 are. To be honest here number 5 would affect my parents and it seems like it would be rather costly and confusing. Since there are many children who have one parent that was a citizen and other than was an immigrant. Moreover how would country of origin be proved.

Also, the elimination of birthright citizenship would affect just about every American, other than those that passed a citizen test. I do not know if they mean that very American must pass a citizen test in order to be an American or if this only applies to those that are not white. Bear in mind no distinction is made.

There next stance is on National Defense.

It is just a rehash of their foreign policy. The only difference is this stance "We should, in no way, share our technologies and operational plans with other nations." and an error was made "As President, I will implement these policies and strengthen our national defense." This is the party's website not the candidate. So that is a little slip up on their part.

Moreover America is the biggest arms exporter and I do not know if  technologies applies to arms and armaments.

Now for they last position to quote the A3P:

"Race Issues

A nation’s character is determined by its people – and racial demographics are a primary determinant... we have been undermined by internationalists seeking to destroy the “liberty, sovereignty, and identity” of America.

American values, heritage, and even language are under massive assault and we are quickly degenerating from a predominantly White, Christian nation — which led the world by its positive example — to a third world “tower of Babel”.

This is bizarre and not happening by accident. During the 20th century, socialist global elites hijacked American institutions and media, and began indoctrinating our people into accepting “cultural Marxism” and “political correctness” — complete with multiculturalism, miscegenation, radical feminism and unnatural characterizations.

A3P stands to protect White American interests, since no other political party has shown interest in doing so. This does not make us racist, but protective of our rights – which every other race or group is encouraged and praised for doing. Discriminatory “affirmative action” programs and the invasion of illegal immigrants adversely affect the welfare of all Americans, but especially the White majority.

The goal of A3P is therefore to restore and preserve the legitimacy of White identity, White heritage, and expressions of White interests. We want to stop the divisive, orchestrated destruction of America and restore her to greatness."

For those that have been waiting for the evidence of the A3P being a White Power group there it is. While they do go out of their way to state that they are not  racist, it does fall a little flat.

So there are the American Third Position polices and  positions. On their website they have Position Papers which go into more detail on there views and goals.


Here are some more facts that I am sure the A3P likes to over look. I suppose that they do not like to look at Cracked.com:

Non-citizens born in Mexico but living in America are eight times less likely than male U.S. citizens to be incarcerated. Moreover, American cities that saw the greatest increase in their illegal immigrant populations from 1990 to 2000 also saw the greatest drops in robbery and homicide.